The Iranians: Persia, Islam, and the Soul of a Nation

Sandra Mckey's speech at World Affairs Council

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From Mina

Doreh minutes July 25, 1996

Listened to the taped interview of Sandra Mackey from KQED's World Affairs Council. Ms. Mackey who lives in Atlanta is the author of multiple books on the Middle East Nations, and has been CNN's commentator and has appeared on many TV programs such as night line.

She has made 3 trips to Iran. She obtained her visa as a conference attendee and traveled North to Caspian Sea area, South to Shiraz, East to Baluchistan, and West to the Iraqi boarder, during which she interviewed many common people as well as Khomeini's daughter, the speaker of the parliament and mayor of Tehran through two independent translators. According to Ms. Mackey she made her trips with no government escort, was totally free to travel at will as long as she respected the islamic attire, and she encountered more curiosity than hostility everywhere she went. She mentioned that the only trouble she got into was from taking a picture of the embassy in Iran where the ad hoc court locked her in a bathroom for 1.5 hours as a result. As she put it, the only real life threatening danger she faced during her trips was from the risky Iranian drivers. She stressed the fact that she found Iranian hospitality extremely pleasing and how everyone was so gracious to her.

Here are excerpts from her interview:

"Since the revolution, America has looked at Iran as a Black power closely connected to the terrorists........ a post cold war enemy ......

I found a widespread disillusionment over the revolution....

The country is more weak than strong in many aspects....

Multiple groups (ideologies) exist........ many discussions over the Islamic Republic..... over the Islamic Iran verses Persia..... all pointing at the question of IDENTITY.... the Persian identity originating from the old history of the country dating back to the Cyrus the great...... the Just Ruler......"

Then Ms. Mackey went into the history of how Sheite Islam was introduced in Iran, the country was ruled by the kings and how clergy guided religious beliefs in the country for years......

Then she continued on with the questions that led to the revolution such as the legitimacy of the ruler.......

And with respect to the current state of Iran She added:

"The lower classes who led the revolution have failed...... ordinary people who consider themselves good Moslems are questioning the legitimacy of the current government.......

Some religious communities are asking for the dismantlement of the Islamic Republic....... however there is no real organization or leadership......

Within the regime itself there is debate over Free Market v.s. Islamic Socialism...... what is the revolutions priority, to export Islam to the rest of the world or the well being of Iran....

Everything is extremely complex...... one faction moves in one direction the others in another....... all originating with economic policy, islamic ideology, and vested interest........

When Khomeini was alive he had enough stature to move towards The weak, but since then no one has the charisma......

Pragmatic Rafsangani wants the nation to be open to the world for economic reasons and national pride........

Hard-liners in the government want a controlled economy and to establish an Islamic power everywhere.........

The Pragmatists have won the elections but the pattern of struggle moves back and forth among the two factions.... neither has enough power to win.

There is basic disagreement about everything...... from economy to how one should dress in public.

Iran may do what Iranians have done before...... non-cooperation.... that is how the Pahlavi regime came into power...

Anarchy is not in the best interest of the United States..... it leads to instability...... higher oil prices

The US has failed to understand Iran...... Clinton has isolated Iran, which feeds Iranian nationalism.......

Most Iranians do believe in the conspiracy theory.... everything has a hand of a foreign country involved..... US policy is to keep Iran weak

The conspiracy theory is not all fantasy........ US policy of confinement... militarization of Arab countries across the golf...... history repeating itself."

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From Yasaman

Hello everyone,

The next Doreh is on Thursday July 25th at my place. I have received the tape on the World Affairs Council which Sandra Mackey the author of "The Iranians: Persia, Islam, and the Soul of a Nation" talks about her experience of the trip she took to Iran and the book she wrote on the subject.

The agenda will be to get together at my place between 7:00 and 7:30. I will play the tape EXACTLY at 7:30, so if you come late, it defeats the purpose! Please be on time.

The tape lasts for 1 hour. The first half hour is the speakers talk and the second portion is questions and answers.

We can have our own discussion after the tape is completed.

Hope to see you there.

Yasaman



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